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paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict probably could have seen this coming, it didn't. but the truly revolutionary act of this papacy is the resignation of benedict while he's still somewhat able. it breaks tradition and it's an extraordinary and brave act that perhaps will enable the next conclave to think differently about the future of the church. and i started doing some thinking and going back and looking at modern history of the church last night. maybe, they're always talking, the cardinals, about hoe the holy spirit may move them. maybe it's time for a new vatican council, such as pope john xxiii called in the mi
paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict...
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paul ii. white smoke coming 24 hours after the voting began signaling the start of pope benedict's eight years heading the church. today we went down where it all happened down in vatican city. >> as of february 28 the papal apartment will be vacant and as the rules dictate, they will have 15-20 days to bring all the cardinals around the world here, under the age of 80. they will lock themselves in the sistine chapel and begin the process. there will be secret ballots, after each ballot paper slips will be burned. white smoke will arise when they have news of great joy. >> we have a pope. that announcement will come right there from the balcony just as it did in this very spot eight years ago. >> shep: we don't know when it will happen but we'll get a better idea tomorrow. changing the face of catholicism for many years to come. with us is joan lewis, she worked at the vatican for information services 34 years. >> in rome. >> shep: you never saw? >> i never thought i would be here 27 years and
paul ii. white smoke coming 24 hours after the voting began signaling the start of pope benedict's eight years heading the church. today we went down where it all happened down in vatican city. >> as of february 28 the papal apartment will be vacant and as the rules dictate, they will have 15-20 days to bring all the cardinals around the world here, under the age of 80. they will lock themselves in the sistine chapel and begin the process. there will be secret ballots, after each ballot...
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especial after john paul ii it's now taken that the pope should be the master of many languages. >> pope benedict will step down february 28th citing age and health reasons. the vatican says the pope has a pacemaker and its batteries were changed in secret just a few months ago. >>> many people are taking guesses as who will become the new pope. cardinal peter turkson tops it with the odds of first black pope. cardinal mark ole leet. and cardinal francis arinze. >>> all bets are off when it comes to folks in the northeast still digging out after this weekend's blizzard. residents in brook haven long island said they haven't seen a single snowplow. some people have been stuck in their homes for days. they called officials outraged about the lack of help. but the town supervisor, get this, is on vacation. and the head of the highway department is out sick monday. >>> they did get a lot of snow there. tom's here to tell us what to expect of our weather in the next day or two. >> might be get a little bit tomorrow. not a lot. but the news is with the warm air we have now, the ground temperat
especial after john paul ii it's now taken that the pope should be the master of many languages. >> pope benedict will step down february 28th citing age and health reasons. the vatican says the pope has a pacemaker and its batteries were changed in secret just a few months ago. >>> many people are taking guesses as who will become the new pope. cardinal peter turkson tops it with the odds of first black pope. cardinal mark ole leet. and cardinal francis arinze. >>> all...
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with john paul ii he knew he was dying. i don't think benedict is so seriously ill that he's going to die but he could -- you know, live for another 10 years. he's got an older brother. and being in the papacy and not to be up for the job. so i think he decided that it was best for the church to go at this point and let someone else carry the burden. >> bill: now as "the new york times" says, the church is at a crossroads in the sense that where the church used to be strong, it is not so much anymore and it is in a developing world in africa and in south america and in asia where the church is showing great growth. what does that say about a future pope? >> well, there's two theories here. one is you go and find somebody from africa where the church is truly growing. on the other hand, the other theory is no, you look for someone who can deal with the problems of the church, where it has real big problems, namely europe where it is in decline or the united states where one out of three catholics has left the church. so i th
with john paul ii he knew he was dying. i don't think benedict is so seriously ill that he's going to die but he could -- you know, live for another 10 years. he's got an older brother. and being in the papacy and not to be up for the job. so i think he decided that it was best for the church to go at this point and let someone else carry the burden. >> bill: now as "the new york times" says, the church is at a crossroads in the sense that where the church used to be strong, it...
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he's very warm, has sort of those kind of qualities that pope john paul did, however, there are a few other people from growing areas of the world, they'll be looking at africa and latin america. there is also cardinal ouellet from question beck. he's from a huge diocese there. and even some talk, although a long shot, of cardinal dolan at 62. he's been a cardinal for less than a year and that would argue against him, although, a lot of people questioning whether they need someone like him, who's great at dealing with the media, great evangelizer at a time when the church is facing some, frankly, competition from protestant evangelists in parts of the world like latin america and africa, thomas. >> the one and only, the incredible chris jansing reporting live from rome. you can watch chris on "jansing and co." every day right here on msnbc at 10:00 a.m. eastern. chris, thanks again. >>> as president obama addresses north korea's third nuclear test at tonight's state of the union, he's also going to have an announcement on troops, our troops in afghanistan. just a short time ago, a sou
he's very warm, has sort of those kind of qualities that pope john paul did, however, there are a few other people from growing areas of the world, they'll be looking at africa and latin america. there is also cardinal ouellet from question beck. he's from a huge diocese there. and even some talk, although a long shot, of cardinal dolan at 62. he's been a cardinal for less than a year and that would argue against him, although, a lot of people questioning whether they need someone like him,...
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i got to meet the pope then john paul the 2nd. then what happened happened and my mother found herself representing bill clinton to the pope. >> how exciting for her. >> it was a challenge. >> i guess it was. >> e.j. this morning quotes somebody who says the most noted earnize i earnizing -- modernizing thing this pope did was to retire, get out of the way. could it be at this modern age a pope just can't afford to be seen frail and weakened in the 24/7 news cycle? are we moving beyond the days? >> i don't think that's necessarily true. john paul felt strongly he wanted the world to see him in a sickened state because that was humanity. that he was setting an example of someone who was frail and feeble and carrying on. i think this pope, you know, has decided to set a different example. we'll see what this precedent means. does it mean future popes have to be pushed out? does he have influence after a new pope is manamed? we're in unchartered waters. >> and in quite a while, we'll see -- >> they have their own camp david. >> with
i got to meet the pope then john paul the 2nd. then what happened happened and my mother found herself representing bill clinton to the pope. >> how exciting for her. >> it was a challenge. >> i guess it was. >> e.j. this morning quotes somebody who says the most noted earnize i earnizing -- modernizing thing this pope did was to retire, get out of the way. could it be at this modern age a pope just can't afford to be seen frail and weakened in the 24/7 news cycle? are...
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after john paul ii it's now taken for granted that the pope shubd a master of many language s. you also look for skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for reform of that. but i go back primarily, someone who is an effective evangelizer in today's society. >> first off, cardinal francis arinze. >> i would be surprised if he is elected pope just given his age. pope benedict was 78 when he was elected now is resigning because of old age. cardinal arinze is already 80. he is a bit of a television personality, especially in the english speaking world, he has become well known. very articulate. charming, funny man. he is also involved in the interreligious dialogue for many years, which would make him an attractive figure. >> cardinal peter terkurkson is getting a lot of attention. age 64, so not a problem there. >> yeah. he speaks perfect english, has a sense of the international church. he is also the head of the council for peace and justice. very involved in economic and political issues, but leans a bit left in terms of the mainstray
after john paul ii it's now taken for granted that the pope shubd a master of many language s. you also look for skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for reform of that. but i go back primarily, someone who is an effective evangelizer in today's society. >> first off, cardinal francis arinze. >> i would be surprised if he is elected pope just given his age. pope benedict was 78 when he was elected now is resigning because of old age....
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benedict i think also probably stepped down, because, remember, he watched john paul ii's demise and watched his powers fade, and what happens when a pope declines in power, the bureaucracy in inevitably increases. and i don't think he particularly enjoyed what was happening aat that time and may be seeing tremors again. and he decided to go ahead and retire early. >> let's stay on successors for a moment. any possibility that an american would -- we have dolan on there. is there any possibility we could see an american pope? >> i love cardinal dolan. i have known him since he was a priest. if i could elect a pope, i would elect dolan. but half of these election fors are europeans, the other half are predominantly africans and asians. the likelihood of them electing an american pope is remote. america has such a huge influence on the world to give them a papacy would be a bridge too far. that was the mind-set into the last conclave. look for a european, right now, if you were -- you know, begging me to give you an answer, i would probably say look at cardinal oullette from canada, wh
benedict i think also probably stepped down, because, remember, he watched john paul ii's demise and watched his powers fade, and what happens when a pope declines in power, the bureaucracy in inevitably increases. and i don't think he particularly enjoyed what was happening aat that time and may be seeing tremors again. and he decided to go ahead and retire early. >> let's stay on successors for a moment. any possibility that an american would -- we have dolan on there. is there any...
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peter, the thing is, people really loved pope john paul ii. he really energized people and he was pope for decades. the next pope probably will sit fo well. the church had public relations problems. they need a guy, if not dolan, a charismatic guy like him. >> church. the church has had public relations problems and a lot of the people in the left wing and even main stream media have piled on at this juncture of the catholic church. i see as a time for renewal, excitement. not death clouding a new pope. a new pope being chosen out of many wonderful choices, including my dear friend, cardinal dolan. i don't have a vote, but i know a lot of americans are saying, wow, wouldn't that be a wonderful, wonderful thing? >> steve: that really would be. >> he embraces the world. >> steve: he's a great guy. he's been on the show a couple of times. thank you very much. >> good to see you. >> steve: if you can't pass it through congress, just ram it through congress. the president about to use another executive order. details coming up next. and he dreamed
peter, the thing is, people really loved pope john paul ii. he really energized people and he was pope for decades. the next pope probably will sit fo well. the church had public relations problems. they need a guy, if not dolan, a charismatic guy like him. >> church. the church has had public relations problems and a lot of the people in the left wing and even main stream media have piled on at this juncture of the catholic church. i see as a time for renewal, excitement. not death...
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after john paul ii it's taken for granted the pope should be a master of many languages. you look at skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for the reform of the curia. someone who is an effective evangelizer. >> first off there's cardinal francis arinze from nigeria. >> he's fascinating. i would frankly be surprised if he's elected pope given his age. pope benedict was 78. cardinal arinze is already 80. having said that, he's a very prominent important figure. he's a bit of a television personality, especially in the english speaking world he's become very well known. very articulate. charming, funny man. also involved in the interreligious dialogue for many years which would make him attractive. >> let's stay in save africa. cardinal peter turkson, he's 64. age not an issue there. what do you think his chances are? >> i'd say they're fairly good. fairly impressive figure. educated a bit in this country. speaks perfect english. has a sense of the international church. he's also the head of the council for peace and justice. ver
after john paul ii it's taken for granted the pope should be a master of many languages. you look at skill and organization. the pope manages a large bureaucracy. there's a great need for the reform of the curia. someone who is an effective evangelizer. >> first off there's cardinal francis arinze from nigeria. >> he's fascinating. i would frankly be surprised if he's elected pope given his age. pope benedict was 78. cardinal arinze is already 80. having said that, he's a very...